Here is one 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee with 88,656 miles on it. The issue here is no passenger side door functions such as power windows or power door locks. The other issue is no RKE (Remote Keyless Entry) functions as well from the key fobs. The drivers side operations work correctly. The Grand Cherokee platform is definitely one of the more popular vehicles I encounter. They have various issues both common and uncommon.
The shop has done some checking before I got there. Various panels have been removed in an effort to narrow down the search. The first thing that catches my eye is the aftermarket alarm module dangling. I am always wary of aftermarket alarms and their installations. I have seen many issues caused by either bad alarms or the installation. Let's have a look at the wiring diagram.
The system utilizes door modules in each door that communicate through a data buss called PCI ( Programmable Controller Interface) buss. It is very much like GM's Class 2 data buss. It is a peer to peer network meaning that any module on the network has the ability to communicate on it's own. Both the DDM ( Drivers door Module) and PDM ( Passenger Door Module) share a common power and ground feed as well. Looking through the service information I also come across this- I underlined the important tidbit of information.
The DDM and PDM each utilize integrated circuitry and information carried on the Programmable Communications Interface (PCI) data bus network along with many hard wired inputs to monitor many sensor and switch inputs throughout the vehicle. The PDM also receives inputs through an integral Radio Frequency (RF) Remote Keyless Entry (RKE) receiver. The DDM and PDM control and integrate many functions and features of the vehicle through both hard wired outputs and messages over the PCI data bus.
We also know that at least our source for power and source for ground is good since we have proper drivers side window and lock operation. So what is next?
This is what I do. I reach for my DRB3 and go into this menu. Factory tools do so many functions that the aftermarket tools may not have. I hit the enter button.
This is the next menu. What the DRB3 is going to do is look for any modules that are communicating on the PCI data buss and report. Such a great feature.
This is the first page. As you can see it is in acronym form so you have to know your Chrysler modules. Let's check out the next page.
Well we see a Driver Door Module but no Passenger Door Module. So, we know that the PDM is not reporting on the PCI buss. Let's get right to the PDM.
Pulling the passenger dise door panel gives me access to the PDM. I want to check power, ground, and whether it is receiving PCI buss messages. Lets first check for PCI data messages. I grab my scope and backprobe the PDM.
We have communication. Like I said just like Class 2 on a GM vehicle. We have a 7 volt square wave slightly off of ground to help with noise. So we know we dont have an issue with the PCI wiring to the PDM. Let's check power and ground.
This is the wire that is supposed to have battery voltage. We have a problem. Checking the ground wire at the PDM and that is good. So we have a power feed issue no doubt. But, is that all?
So, backprobed at the PDM I run a fused jumper from battery positive to the PDM. Lets rerun the PCI buss check.
Hello there PDM. I check passenger side window and lock operation and all is well. Now, it is time to find where the loss of voltage is. I know where I am going right away.
There it is a broken feed wire in the passenger side bellows between door and A pillar. Checking the other wires in the harness and they were all good. A quick repair of the wire and reassembly and all is well. The RKE worked like a charm as well. The shop owner was more than happy. This car was fixed with no parts and quickly. It is a bit unusual to see this sort of failure on the passenger side. I see it all the time on the drivers side however. Think about how many more times you open the drivers side versus the passenger side.
Great post! Thanks a lot for sharing this information. Cheers!
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Thanks. I had this problem and this was the way I fixed it. Same broken wire
ReplyDeleteI would guess a bad module will keep interior lights on?
ReplyDeleteThanks for the post. I also had this problem on the drivers side. I found a broken wire too.
ReplyDeleteThanks, maybe you would help me. Drivers side controls not working (window/lock/mirror) and keyless works 3 doors but not driver side. Interior lights are staying on.
ReplyDeleteI do not have the great tools to troubleshoot (meter only). 2004 Jeep GCL.
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ReplyDeleteInvestigated further and also found 2 broken wires on drivers side. Thank you Mr. Rodgers.
ReplyDeleteExcellent post. Very same problem. Very same symptoms. I had already figured out there was a problem with the passenger door module by using a shop manual and seeing what functions it powered. I just didn't know exactly where it was located. I actually found your post by searching for the location of the module.
ReplyDeleteThis great. I narrowed my instrument cluster, keyless, and windows problem to the pdm. Would not have guessed. Can not afford the dbr3 however. Even after chrysler's bankruptcy and meltdown. With this history of electrical problems and lack of affordable diagnostic tools how can the consumer ever trust in such a high dollar investment? I went to the near by junk dealer and replaced the pdm. Stopped the instrument cluster problem. Windows and locks work. The keyless however does not? Was lost, thinking it wasy remote until your article and like. Does replacement module need dbr3 configuration or possible bad used module still?
ReplyDeleteYou will need to program your remote to the new "used" PDM with appropriate tooling.
ReplyDeleteThis is brilliant. All the DIY mechanic needs to know is the Jeep "secret".....passenger and drive side door modules control separate functions, explaining how a problem in just ONE module yields confusing symptoms. Had I known the keyless entry was on the PDM, along with right side mirrors and windows and 3 out of 4 toggle locks, I would never have wasted so much time disassembling and trouble shooting the driver's side door, etc.....the "logical" and SEEMINGLY only complex door button cluster in the car.
ReplyDeleteWe don't need Chrysler tools, we need this sort of proprietory information. Only clear discussion I ever found of the DDM/PDM power, grounding and/or PCI interface messaging in any of the dozens of forums visited (also wasted time).
what causes the passenger door locks mirrors and windows to time out
ReplyDeletethey will work then left with key off for apx 1 hr they wontwork untill you unhook the battery for 5 min then they will then stop again
DeleteLooked inside the "bellows" on the door - yep - Not One, but **FOUR** wires broken... Time for Soldering Iron and Heat-Shrink!
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ReplyDeleteThank you so much for writing this article. It was very helpful to me to find the problem.
ReplyDeleteGreat Post. Having the same issue. Found a broken ground wire in the bellows. Does anyone have a wiring diagram that shows all of the wires in that door harness with their values. I'm still having an issue with the locks and rear hatch lock. Thanks! AL M
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